Unfortunately due to a family issue I was unable to attend the event and thus this meeting. This exact issue is the reason I was against there being another division being added to the youth fighting. Adding a new division isn't solving anything. it is just causing more problems. So rather than causing all this chaos it would seem the best path is what I suggested from the start. Allow the option to Youths at age 16+ to move into the adult heavy fighting. No one is forcing them to do it. This would be a decision that they and their parents would come to together. They would be able to practice at regular practicews without needing background checks(reducing costs to have these done) They would be able to participate in Tourneys. No melees until 18 is what I would suggest as there is a higher risk
of injury in the melees. Most of the Kingdoms of the Known World do this. We have 2 shining examples of people who came up in just such a fashion in our Kingdom right now that I know of. Her Grace, Tessa the Huntress and His Excellency, Sir Alonzio of the Peacemakers. Making this a choice for those teens who wish to advance can only help to bolster activity and safety in the long run. We will put a 16 year old behind the wheel of a car so whats the big deal about putting them in a helmet and armor and aiming them at a foe?
Thats just how I feel.
As Always, In Service
Gabriel
--- On Fri, 11/14/08, Yvianne <yvianne@...> wrote:
From: Yvianne <yvianne@...> Subject: Re: [AEyouthpolicy] Policy Meeting Notes (gold Chain) To: AEyouthpolicy@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 12:56 PM
I'm not trying to be rude or flippant about this. I tried for over an hour to phrase this better, but I don't seem to be able to without changing the kind of answer I think we need at this point.
If rattan and boffer are so similar that youth can switch back and forth without any problems, why does the kingdom need a youth rattan program at all?
It just seems that trying to define the specifics of a new policy without ever really answering this basic question first keeps bringing us back to the question. Perhaps if we answer the question, we would have a specific goal and be able to draft policy around that.
If the only rattan experience the older kids who want to have will be at events, what happens the rest of the time when they are no longer allowed to go to a practice and fight boffer? It sounds like this will eliminate 16+ rattan fighters from practicing under the SCA rules once they switch, for now, and be encouraging more off the radar practicing.
As time passes and more events are held that will include the 16+ component, I hope participation spreads quickly.
My other area of confusion is that many of the older kids already fighting rattan outside of SCA sanctions activities have been able to go back to boffer with little or no difficulty. If level 3 boffer weapons are made to mimic rattan in bulk, weight and balance, the idea that anything more than a minimum or zero difference in calibration and muscle memory does not fit. Using my training in activity analysis, practicing is what will build muscle and motion memory. Anyone who has ever had an injury that requires physical or occupational therapy has learned that you can't fake it or fool the therapist when you have not done the exercises for your home program. The rhythm and fluid motion is not present nor observed when you do not practice. This is very similar to the notion that putting on armor without any stretching or minimal muscle warming up then going full speed, makes you invincible to injury.
I agree with erring on the side of caution. It is pretty easy to pick out the fighters who practice regularly and am always very glad to see more and heavier armor than SCA minimums require, for any person.
I would suggest two topics for classes at C3R. One for adults fighters who wish to be included in the training process of 16+ rattan. Second, would be for all marshals who wish to participate in the 16+ rattan program to clearly outline policy, learn some approved methods to include (standardization) and gather ideas to consider that would include teaching the 16+ rattan how to handle some typical conflicts - like not taking shots.
I will gladly make an outline to post for purposes of fine tuning with suggestions, if anyone is interested.
Greetings all, sorry for the delay, but finally here are the notes from the youth policy meeting at gold chain event. i was happy to see some new faces and...
Jenna, This looks good except one area confuses me. If the only rattan experience the older kids who want to have will be at events, what happens the rest of...
I'm not trying to be rude or flippant about this. I tried for over an hour to phrase this better, but I don't seem to be able to without changing the kind of...
Unfortunately due to a family issue I was unable to attend the event and thus this meeting. This exact issue is the reason I was against there being another...
gabriel, thank you for your comments. i hope you will be able to attend some of the future meetings and practices as they are scheduled. to respond to some of...
Gabriel, Thank you for your words. However, lowering the age of adult heavy rattan is outside of the "youth combat" scope. We, have and, are considering...
Greetings all: I apologize for just getting to these messages now.? I am still catching up with my mail from the weekend away.? Here are some thoughts,...
Your Majesty, Please forgive me is I have spoken out of turn. From a very brief discussion with His Majesty at Crown Tourney, I was told that He was ...
Not a problem or a worry, Tristen. I think at first blush both of us were "agin' it" (and still don't want to see 16 year olds out on the melee field at...
Your Majesty, Thank you for sharing and clarifying. In the barony of Thescorre we have 2 young men who do want to participate in the rattan training before...
I wish I had an answer to settle that point. My only one is the SCA policy for minors. What I am told by some of the frequent and consistent boffer making...
nivah, one thing that needs to be established from the start is that we cannot make rules or standards based on what people are doing OUTSIDE of the SCA...
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