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All rides prior to 30 days ago are included.

Use of the new ride results online input by some ride managers has
enabled ride results to be online in just 3 days after the ride.

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I'm sure it would go for a lot more there. Thirty acres of nice pasture
land. Housing prices in the SF bay area have always been high. I
remember in the late 70's and early 80's when I practically lived in CA
- actually I did basically live in Huntington Beach for a year. Housing
the the WDC area was not really inexpensive at that time, but in
Sunnyvale for example in 1980 a 2 br 2 bath house on a postage stamp lot
was going for 250 thousand. Back east the same house on the same lot was
half that.

I really don't see how the average guy can afford to work in that area.
Of course the same is true for some parts of FL. I consult for company
in Sarasota. Sarasota county has become one of the higher cost areas in
the nation for housing. A young engineer with a BS and no experience
starts at 50,000 a year today. They have a hell of a time find a place
they can afford on just one salary in Sarasota.

Things seem to be just totally out of whack. Land prices are through the
roof. I could not afford my place if I bought it today.

Truman

merryben@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/29/2007 3:01:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> tprevatt@... writes:
>
>     The place next to me with 3 br 3 bath house, a nice horse barn,
>     thirty
>     acres and cross fenced sold about a year ago - probably at the
>     peak for
>     1.3 million. I thought the people got robbed.
>
> *Bet it would go for more here. A contractor just bought the property
> next door to my horses for $800,000 or so. About 7 acres and
> everything on it had to be torn down and rebuilt. Everyone thinks it
> was a steel. It did not even get on the listings when it was sold.*
>
>
>
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“Since when have we Americans been expected to bow submissively to
authority and speak with awe and reverence to those who represent us?”
Justice William O. Douglas

In the early 80's I was sent to LA by my boss. I had a four person team
(including myself) and we were suppose to keep the USAF from robbing us
blind. We rented a place in Huntington Beach. It took the per diem of
all four of us to pay for it and per diem in LA at that time was 75
bucks a day. It was nice - a block off the beach.Southern CA and all
that rot. But life is not cheap in CA. I remember guys that worked at LA
Air Force Station that lived a hundred miles away because that is all
they could afford - and these were Cols with high cost area allowances.

The place next to me with 3 br 3 bath house, a nice horse barn, thirty
acres and cross fenced sold about a year ago - probably at the peak for
1.3 million. I thought the people got robbed.

Truman

merryben@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/26/2007 3:25:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> lanconn@... writes:
>
>     There is very little open land here, and even the uncleared stuff
>     hanging on the side of the mountain is expensive.
>
> *3 bedroom 2 bath house on 10+ acres here would probably be about
> $2-$3 million depending. My house is worth about 600 to 700 and it is
> a 60 year old run down house in the city on a city lot. You guys don't
> know what expensive is until you have lived in
> California.........lol............mb*
>
>
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“Since when have we Americans been expected to bow submissively to
authority and speak with awe and reverence to those who represent us?”
Justice William O. Douglas

Some years ago we were looking for property in the west. I remember many
pleasant days we spent in Santa Fe - but that was in the early 80's when
Santa Fe was a quaint artist colony. We looked around and I remember a
guy that used to work for me was from Las Vagas, NM. There was a lot of
nice places near there - non pretentious which even in the early 80's
Santa Fe was a bit pretentious.

For a lot of reasons we decided that we didn't need land in the west -
dealing with the westerners being top of the list (only kidding, well
maybe only half - you'll never know ;-) ). But if I were to look for a
place it would not be in the "prime areas." If for some strange reason I
decided I need to have a second place in the west, the Las Vagas, NM is
one I would go back and check out.

JMHO.

Truman

magnumsmom@... wrote:
>
> Hey, the house next door to us is for sale. It's on a dead end
> road off a dead end road and you can ride from here to the
> Cerrillos Hills County Park... and then to BLM land... and then
> if you wanted to you could ride all the way to Colorado! By
> two different routes! We have pretty much year round riding
> here in NM.
>
> It's a 2 bed 2 bath adobe and cinder block pueblo style home
> on 10 acres with a 1000 sq ft portal, new roof, and I think
> they are asking $435,000. Lots of rock and no pasture here,
> but it has a nice flat area for a barn. Not a bad price for 10
> acres this close to Santa Fe. From here it's an hour commute
> to Albuquerque or Los Alamos, or there is some work in Santa
> Fe as well. Stucco'd adobe and cinder block means it'll hold
> the heat much better in the winter and stay a lot cooler in the
> summer. We hate to see our neighbors move, but they've
> decided they want to be in town.
>
> One thing... I can recommend a good Santa Fe Real Estate
> agent, but don't trust most of them. The agents with the
> listing are probably OK, but you would still want your own.
>
> Kathy Myers
> in Santa Fe, NM
>
>
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“Since when have we Americans been expected to bow submissively to
authority and speak with awe and reverence to those who represent us?”
Justice William O. Douglas

Actually I've done that and even at the fastest trot my guy could
do - my pulse rate never got over 100 bpm.

.

SEDRA SPRING CLINIC
April 27-29, 2007
Lake Louisa State Park, Clermont, Florida

"Things Your Father Never Taught You
  (Because he was busy teaching your brother)"

Join us for a weekend of Riding, Learning, and Camaraderie.

Clinic will be limited to 50 participants and equines 4 years or
older. Each class will be 45-60 minutes each, taught in small groups
that will involve hands on training for subjects regarding distance
riding, trucks, trailers, and the wildlife you may encounter! We
encourage you to bring your horse, though you do not have to! Proof
of Horse Coggin's test must be up to date and negative.

After the classes, we can ride until dark.  Lake Louisa State Park
has 20 miles of permanently marked horse trails.  Stay the night,
enjoy the pot luck dinner, and ride again Sunday morning. Clinic fee
include classes, lunch on Saturday, and Pot Luck dinner.  Hamburgers
and hot dogs will be provided at Saturday night's Pot Luck, please
bring a side dish or dessert to share.

The park campground is reserved exclusively for our use for the whole
weekend.  Plan to come for the clinic, and stay to ride.  Horse
water, a few paddocks, bathrooms are available.  No electric.  Park
rules will be enforced.  All dogs must be on leash.

Tentative subjects to be covered:
• TIRES:  selection, rotation, changing a flat, greasing the
bearings
• 12 volt electrical systems:  learn the basics for installing
tack and loading lights, fans, and a battery operated water pump
• Easy boots: Fitting your horse and foaming
• Toxic plants
• Distance Training with a GPS and Heart Rate Monitor
(concentrating on Garmin 201, 205, 301 and 305).
• Horse feet and horse shoes:  Selection of horse shoes for the
terrain and hoof type, angles for front and hind; help your farrier
help you.
• Emergency Preparedness:  Horse first aid kit, Roadside
requirements.


Maris Ramsay, Clinic Manager 352-394-1286 (evenings please) or
MarisR@...
Visit www.DistanceRiding.com, click on Ride Entry or stay awhile and
browse…

The cost of land is one of the two major reasons my spouse and I don't
consider moving to a less economically depressed and warmer climate.
I bought my 3 bedroom two bath home with reseeded pasture and new
fence for a total cost of 190,000.  As long as we're both employed,
even if we aren't making as much as we could in North Georgia, it's
hard to justify moving.  sigh.

Jim wrote:

"Wish I could afford to buy it! <sigh>"

Well Jim, if you can't buy it, you can at least try to pick your neighbors!
With all the talk about people's dogs, etc..that is a great idea..!

..besides, you might even get a riding partner out of the deal!

Good luck!

Ranelle Rubin
R.Rubin Consulting

raneller@...

916-663-4140 home office
916-718-2427 cellular
916-848-3662 fax




>From: "Jim Holland" <lanconn@...>
>To: "'ridecamp'" <ridecamp@...>,
><AERCMembersForum@yahoogroups.com>
>CC: <flinnanderson@...>, <kramspott@...>,        "'Betty
>Altman'" <talk2hoof@...>,        "'Larry  Wheat'"
><l.wheat@...>,        "'Thomas Murphy'"
><tmurphy_rcdd@...>,        "'Jerry Fruth'" <jerryfruth@...>
>Subject: [RC]   Property in Hells Hollow
>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:24:41 -0400
>
>I have numerous people over the years I have lived up here in North Georgia
>ask me if there was horse property here for sale.  There is very little
>open
>land here, and even the uncleared stuff hanging on the side of the mountain
>is expensive. Most of it never even appears on the market.
>
>
>
>The location where I am here in the Hells Hollow Community is prime for a
>horse person, because it allows you to ride out of your yard into thousands
>and thousands of acres Wilderness and NF mountains.  ANY thing close to
>horse property here is a buy. This is a community largely made up of horse
>people on a dead end road off a dead end road off a dead road and backs up
>against the South side of the Southern Divide and adjoins the Chattahoochee
>National Forest. No traffic. This is an Endurance Rider's dream location or
>for any equestrian who loves mountains and forests.
>
>
>
>My neighbor has a piece of property for sale at 1132 Hells Hollow
>Road.Zipcode is 30513.  One side of it adjoins my pasture across a large
>creek. The house is relatively new, Brick/Vinyl, 3BR, 2Bath, sits on a hill
>with pastures falling away to either side. The pastures are rough, but
>could
>be nice with some reseeding.  They are far from level, but acceptable for
>pasture.  What fences there are, are not much..mostly barbed wire on trees.
>Rudimentary barn, nice creek frontage on one side, paved road frontage on
>another. Could be a nice place and your horses would certainly get a lot of
>exercise. :-)
>
>
>
>They are asking $529,000 and its 10.19 acres.  MOST of that is open and
>usable as pasture.
>
>
>
>If you are interested, or know someone who might be, you can contact agent
>David Herring, Country Corners Realty, LLC at (706) 455-3398 or (706)
>964-6025.  They don't list a website.  If you want to look at it, you can
>hang with me.  I could probably give you a GOOGLE link as to location or
>GPS
>co-ordinates.best I can do.
>
>
>
>As a reference, I bought my place (about 12 acres with about the same
>amount
>of pasture) in 1998 for $125,000.  It would probably bring close to a
>million dollars right now.  Fannin is a growth county, most of which is
>National Forest.
>
>
>
>Wish I could afford to buy it! <sigh>
>
>
>
>Jim, Sun of Dimanche+, and Mahada Magic
>
>
>
>Richard T. "Jim" Holland
>
>Three Creeks Farm
>
>175 Hells Hollow Drive
>
>Blue Ridge, Ga 30513
>
>(706) 258-2830
>
>www.threecreeksarabians.com
>
>Callsign KI4BEN
>
>
>

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After hours of work, Daniel, the official photographer for City
Slickers on Friday, March 23rd, has posted the pictures for sale on
his web site:

http://www.picturesdanieltook.com

Enjoy!

April
Nashville, TN
http://www.tracetribute.com April 7, 2007
http://endurancerider.blogspot.com

--
"It doesn't matter how slowly you go - as long as you don't stop!" - Confucius

Well said, Cat.  I was inferring from what some folks said on this
topic that I must be a poor rider, since I am sore after the first
few rides of the season, and sometimes longer than that.   8-)

I have found that the horse I ride makes a HUGE difference as to how
I feel physically after a ride.   After an LD ride on my little Arab
girl with the pogo stick gaits, I am stiff and sore all over (but I
have a huge grin on my face).  After riding my husband's Morgan on an
LD, I am not stiff or sore anywhere (but I don't have as much fun -
  ??). Our Morgan floats - our Arab boings, and our App is somehwere
in the middle.  I THINK my riding style is about the same with all
three of them ... but I have only been riding, let's see, almost 50
years.

Last year I had to wear a heart monitor for a week, and it went off
every time I was posting on my Arab ...

Sore or not sore, I shall keep riding!  I care more that my horses
aren't sore when we're done.  I have done about 600 miles of LD and
CTR and never had a horse with a sore back yet.  And yes, I know that
30 miles is not a 'real' endurance ride.   8-)

I had to retire my Arab last year; I had planned to do my first real
endurance ride with her.  So now my new little App will be taking me
on my first 50; I am planning for this fall.

Woohoo!  See you on the trails!  I will be the stiff and sore one
with the huge grin on my face!

Kim in Virginia

================

--- In AERCMembersForum@yahoogroups.com, "Cat Carter"
<witchhazelcat@...> wrote:

Some of us do more work than others when riding... when I started to
ride regularly with my endurance/CTR friends just for company, I hurt
everyday, and days on end as I rode at least 5 days a week with
them... I had to learn to stretch and change some things in my riding
style (I was hunter/jumper background). Now my legs do not usually
hurt.

Thank goodness, since they have given me the distance riding bug! It
took some time getting in shape and adjusting to being in the saddle
for so long. Yes, if you have a push button horse, you do not have to
do too much work... for some of us, we work in the saddle all the
time! If I am not paying attention, my horse will take out a leg on a
tree or my head on a branch. (I think he finds humor in this)  It is
interesting that you hurt in different places with different horses.
Never thought about it before. 2 of my horses like to pull my arms
out of the sockets. And all of my horses give my legs a workout.  :)

I do like the squats idea though. I will have to remember that to use
on non horse people to make a point, even if it not exactly
accurate...

Personally I like to offer to put doubters on one of my horses and go
for a long trail ride... AND have them KEEP UP! (hee-hee)  I got a
good laugh at a friend that I took out at mostly a walk, and a little
very slow trot and he said, this is easy, I could do these rides with
you... I gave him a look and asked my horse to trot at a faster pace
for a good while, and after a minute of it, he said, ok you made your
point, maybe not... :P He is a good sport though.... He still wants
to get there, but gradually. (Heck, I am still getting there... I am
hoping to do a 50 this year!!! Been doing the 25's and 30's...)

Cat

=================

---Original Message Follows----
From: Truman Prevatt <tprevatt@...>

Naw - the horse pushes you up in the post. All you have to do is ease
back down into the saddle. The horse is doing the heavy lifting ;-) .
My legs are never sore. However, on the old mare my arms ached for
days. On the Jbird my groin muscles are sore for days since I have to
keep them pretty tight because the dipping and diving, shuck and
jiving he pulls as we move on down the trail.

Truman

Another thing I have noticed over the years. The Western States Trail Ride (Tevis) has trail changes often due to reconstruction, relocation etc. The remarkable thing is that the ride is always sanctioned as a 100 mile ride. Is it really true that they always have carefully measured the trail and found it to be between 97.5 and 102.5 miles? That seems remarkable to me.

 

 

Ed Hauser wrote:
> The whole issue of the impossibility of measuring exactly is a smoke screen.
> If you come to me and wish to purchase one meter of rope.  I could get out
> instruments traceable to the national bureau of standards and have at it.
> The problem would be that due to all sorts of error sources even the
> international meter as currently defined in relation to the wavelength of a
> certain type of light, has an error associated with it.
>
> On the other hand I could get out a cheap meter stick purchased at Home
> Depot and measure 1 meter and a centimeter or two of rope, and tell you that
> you were getting at least 1 meter of rope.  This is the same thing with a 50
> mile endurance ride.  It is possible to be sure that the ride is at least 50
> miles long, what is impossible is to assure that it is 50 miles exactly.
>
> Ed Hauser

Truman loves his straw men and red herrings.  No one said anything about
perfection in measurement, let alone claiming that a ride had to be
50.000000000000000 miles long.  We merely pointed out that the minimum
distance for an AERC endurance ride is 50 miles, not 47.5.

--
Joe Long
jlong@...

The whole issue of the impossibility of measuring exactly is a smoke screen.
If you come to me and wish to purchase one meter of rope.  I could get out
instruments traceable to the national bureau of standards and have at it.
The problem would be that due to all sorts of error sources even the
international meter as currently defined in relation to the wavelength of a
certain type of light, has an error associated with it.

On the other hand I could get out a cheap meter stick purchased at Home
Depot and measure 1 meter and a centimeter or two of rope, and tell you that
you were getting at least 1 meter of rope.  This is the same thing with a 50
mile endurance ride.  It is possible to be sure that the ride is at least 50
miles long, what is impossible is to assure that it is 50 miles exactly.

Ed Hauser
2994 Mittower Road
Victor, MT 59875

(406) 642-9640

ed(at)sisuwest(dot)us
sorry about having to include email in non-computer form

Truman Prevatt wrote:
> Joe Long wrote:

>> Truman, you do go on.  All you're doing is demonstrating the principle
>> that "the perfect is the enemy of the good."  I don't know of anyone
>> other than yourself who is talking about perfection in measuring
>> endurance trails.
>>
> Nope the perfect is not the enemy of the good. The perfect is what you
> are stating our rule says. It has to be 50, 49.9999 isn't enough. You
> can't measure 49.9999. There as to be an allotment for error in
> measurement. The problem trails are not the 48 mile trails - they are
> the 40 mile trails. Worrying about a 48 mile trail is akin to running
> into the trees looking for the forest.

Demanding "perfect" when "good" is sufficient, and thus not getting
good, is what is meant by "The perfect is the enemy of the good."

The point is that the idea that because AERC rounds of to the nearest
five miles that a trail 47.5 miles qualifies as a 50-mile endurance ride
is false.  The minimum distanced is 50 miles, according to our Bylaws.
Rounding only applies above that.

Now, if the ride manager measures his trail and comes up with 50 miles,
but his measurement is inaccurate and it is actually 49.9 real miles, or
49 real miles, no one is going to fault him over it.  Certainly not me.
   But if the RM measures his trail and only comes up with 48 miles, he
should not claim that it's 50.  He should add a couple of miles.  After
all, if he measures 48 and has an error of plus or minus 5%, it could be
   shorter than 46 miles.

I do not agree that there should be an "allotment for error" in the
rules, though.  As soon as you say that 47.5 is OK to allow for errors
in measurement, you've now made the minimum distance for a 50 mile ride
47.5 miles, and some people will measure that much and call it a 50-mile
ride when the trail is actually only 45 miles or less.

It is the responsibility of the RM to measure his trail as accurately as
he reasonably can, and have at least 50 miles (NOT 47.5) by that
measurement.  If he's actually off some, no one is going to give him any
grief.

I agree, of course, that the 40 mile trails (and a few even shorter) are
the real problem.  I once rode a 100-mile ride that was only about 70
actual miles long.

>> Well, that's better.  Sometimes that "best method" is going to be a GPS.
>>   I'll continue to use mine as a valuable training, conditioning, and
>> informative tool.
>>
>>
> Yep it may be a wonderful training tool and a wonder source or
> information and a wonderful "techie toy" - but as a accurate metric for
> measuring trails there are much better ways. I'll take Randy's 78 Scout
> any day.
>
> Truman

Do you have any idea how many endurance trails we have that a Scout
can't be driven over?  There are trails where the only reasonable means
of measuring are walking them with a mechanical measuring device (such
as a wheel), or riding with a "horse pedometer" (very unreliable), or
riding with a GPS.  As I told you, on the rides I managed I walked my
trails with a wheel.

And you seem to have no idea just how inaccurate a motor vehicle
odometer can be when the vehicle is driven over rough terrain.

GPSs even if they were as bad as you claim would be a hell of a lot
better than estimating mileage by how long it takes to ride, or by
tracing the trail on a map.

Finally, you simply ignore the experience that some of us have had with
good-quality GPS units, that have proven in the field to be accurate and
repeatable well within 5% -- under 1% is not unusual.  Actual, real-word
results.

--
Joe Long
jlong@...

Joe Long wrote:
> Truman Prevatt wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> Bottom line the AERC rule as an "exact" rule makes no sense since trails
>> cannot be measured exactly - independently of the measurement method.
>> You measure it 20 times you will get twenty different distances. Which
>> is correct? None of them. The average is better than any single measure
>> but it's still on an estimate with a variability defined by the standard
>> deviation of you experiment.
>>
>
> Truman, you do go on.  All you're doing is demonstrating the principle
> that "the perfect is the enemy of the good."  I don't know of anyone
> other than yourself who is talking about perfection in measuring
> endurance trails.
>
>
Nope the perfect is not the enemy of the good. The perfect is what you
are stating our rule says. It has to be 50, 49.9999 isn't enough. You
can't measure 49.9999. There as to be an allotment for error in
measurement. The problem trails are not the 48 mile trails - they are
the 40 mile trails. Worrying about a 48 mile trail is akin to running
into the trees looking for the forest.
>> So for my money - measure the trail with the best method you can and be
>> done with it.
>>
>> Truman
>>
>
> Well, that's better.  Sometimes that "best method" is going to be a GPS.
>   I'll continue to use mine as a valuable training, conditioning, and
> informative tool.
>
>
Yep it may be a wonderful training tool and a wonder source or
information and a wonderful "techie toy" - but as a accurate metric for
measuring trails there are much better ways. I'll take Randy's 78 Scout
any day.

Truman


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“Since when have we Americans been expected to bow submissively to
authority and speak with awe and reverence to those who represent us?”
Justice William O. Douglas