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Re: [AERCMembersForum] Public Wilderness meeting in Trona

I guess I could be called a "Greenie," although I've never called myself that.  I do certainly care about the environment, clean air and water, but I also care about common sense and proper management.  Knowledgeable ranchers, for instance, take good care of national forest land and don't overgraze, and help keep weeds down by grazing cattle.  Personally, I love riding in wilderness areas, because then I know I will hardly ever see anyone else.  I have all that beauty to myself.  So-o-o selfish of me, but I have to admit I love seeing no bicycles, no ATV's, no cars, etc.  Just me, my horse, my dog.  Aaahhh.
 
And then, just as selfishly, I love organized events such as endurance rides, and competitive trail rides, so what do you do.  Here's where the common sense comes in.  You're right, unless we have advocates, strength in numbers, such as the Horse Councils of various states and nationally, and the Backcountry Horsemen, and unless individuals relentlessly speak up to their senators and representatives, yep, we can and will lose access.
 
Don't give up, good grief, guys, both of your posts are so defeatist.  Get on the phone, send emails, write letters.  Educate the public, as well, I think that's the key to everything.
 
Carla Richardson
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Patrick: The ball game is over in California. Her Ladyship, Senator Feinstein will cram the new Wilderness proposal down the throats of sane thinkers in...
Jerry Fruth
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Jan 12, 2009
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I guess I could be called a "Greenie," although I've never called myself that. I do certainly care about the environment, clean air and water, but I also care...
Carla Richardson
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Jan 12, 2009
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"But then what do you expect when the vast majority of riders refuse to become involved?" I find it hard to believe that the "vast majority" of riders REFUSE...
Kitley, Carrie E Civ ...
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Jan 12, 2009
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Also, "Wilderness" doesn't sound like a bad thing. I would say the vast majority of riders (and casual "Wilderness" supporters) don't know that to the US...
N Mitts
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Jan 13, 2009
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....don't you just love the comment left by Mr. Henson from the California Wilderness Coalition and I quote in part "Why do you think that endurance rides...
Dream Weaver
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Jan 12, 2009
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Carla, Like you, I really enjoy riding in Wilderness. I want clean air, overgrazing eliminated, and so forth. I also want to retain my rights to ride on public...
Jerry Fruth
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Jan 12, 2009
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Jerry, I'm not against you, I'm with you. And I know from personal experience how hard it is to clear trails in wilderness areas, I helped move a giant fallen...
Carla Richardson
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Jan 12, 2009
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There are I think a multitude of issues. Even if an area isn't established as Wilderness - there is still the issue of maintaining trails and impact on the...
Truman Prevatt
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Jan 12, 2009
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10-4 Truman. The other option is to buy it ourselves, but then we will still have the maintenance problem. Yes, American is fast becoming a "gimmie" nation....
Teddy
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Jan 12, 2009
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My biggest fear is the proposal to sell off public lands. That has been cropping up in recent years, it is the dream of people with very deep pockets to be...
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Jan 12, 2009
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And to preserve it for what then? No access, no wilderness to enjoy, except for future generations of rabbits and deer, maybe. If a tree falls in the forest...
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Truman: Well put. Jerry ... From: Truman Prevatt To: AERCMembersForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [AERCMembersForum]...
Jerry Fruth
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Jan 12, 2009
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Carla, It's all about being at the table. If endurance riders are not there, we will miss dinner. Jerry ... From: Carla Richardson To:...
Jerry Fruth
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Jan 12, 2009
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Jerry, if I had the airfare money, I'd be there. It's about 800 miles from here. Carla Richardson Colorado...
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Jan 12, 2009
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Carrie, Our best guess is that less than 5% of our ridership is off the horse and working on trails. Jerry ... From: Kitley, Carrie E Civ USAF AFSPC 30...
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Jan 12, 2009
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In my humble opinion, it's largely due to lack of awareness on the whole ball of wax, including trail maintenance. I would be happy to help, but I rarely get...
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... Carrie, As one that has some experience with this issue and has recently gong through establishing a BCHA chapter in FL, I will share what I see as what...
Truman Prevatt
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Jan 12, 2009
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Fantastic! This kind of post is exactly what needs to be taken seriously and action taken. Ideas and information such as this needs a healthy and highly...
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Jan 12, 2009
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Jerry, What is this guess based on?  I'm just curious if a poll has been taken, or where you get these figures. Of the endurance riders I know, most of us...
Laura Fend
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Jan 12, 2009
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The following is not intended as a justification for sitting back and doing nothing. The Extreem Green movement didn't start yesterday. It has been...
Diane Trefethen
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Jan 12, 2009
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... ... I support what Diane has to say here. I find the idea that we should set aside large tracts of land to be untouched by humans to be fallacious in the...
Joe Long
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Jan 12, 2009
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... Speaking of beavers and modifying the environment: http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/dammed.asp Diane Trefethen AERC #2691 West Region...
Diane Trefethen
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Jan 13, 2009
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... Here is the a good description of the problem. http://www.backcountryhorse.com/pdffiles/StockFreeWildernessRecreationOpportunities.pdf Horse use is a...
Truman Prevatt
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Jan 13, 2009
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Eco-Greenies want it preserved as wilderness was before Columbus landed. Bambi will have it all to itself. Jerry ... From: Kitley, Carrie E Civ USAF AFSPC 30...
Jerry Fruth
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Jan 12, 2009
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Diane, A very thought provoking statement. Well said! Jerry ... From: Diane Trefethen To: AERCMembersForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 4:29...
Jerry Fruth
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Jan 13, 2009
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Its from what I have experienced here in the Mid west and the south East. Jerry ... From: Laura Fend To: AERCMembersForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January...
Jerry Fruth
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Jan 13, 2009
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Maybe here in the NW we just have a more active bunch. In our South West Idaho Trail and Distance Riders group (runs around 60/70 members) I counted at...
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