Ok my mom dug this old picture out and I posted it on the home page. I
know at least one of the people were at this years America's Cup . I
can put names to about 7 or 8 people in the photo.Can anybody else?
John

http://www.epoxyproducts.com/penetrating4u.html

In this link the guy said most penetrating epoxies are just epoxies
thinned with solvents. He found xylene to be the best solvent to mix
with epoxy to help it penetrate wood . He mixed it 50% for best
results . It did weaken the epoxy but for sealing it would be fine.








--- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "rusty1hel" <rustyyy@...> wrote:
>
> hi john, the plank is 13'6" about 10"center tapered to match 7"chocks
> thickness is 1-3/4 i bought the clear penefrating epoxe sealer from
> cairds boatworks in helena but it can be obtained from internet
> suppliers.mfg.is smith bros.i believe Rusty
> --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
> <johhnysrocket2003@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey Rusty, what size is the plank that you built.
> > Where did you get the epoxy?
> > John
> >
> >
> > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "rusty1hel" rustyyy@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > o- k guys i built a poplar runner plank for whiskey barrell and
> sailed
> > > the heck out of it on canyon ferry.This year our ice was rough and
> alot
> > > of shards were flying the plank looks just like it did when i built
> it
> > > .i used epoxy sealer a very thin epoxy called restore it apply to
> > > refusal it really soaks in and plasticizes the wood and then just as
> it
> > > was about to set just a little tack left i sprayed automotive clear
> cote
> > > over it 2-coats and veola beautiful .
> > > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
> > > <johhnysrocket2003@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've worked with poplar before with the cabinets . It mills up
> nice.
> > > > I would guess it would work well for wing spars . I heard sitka
> spruce
> > > > is not very rot resistant either. We get our leading edges on the
> > > > planks pitted dirtboating too. I was wondering if some of that
> clear
> > > > sticky back chip gaurd material used on cars might be usefull if
> you
> > > > didn't fiberglass?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "foiledagain20" david.p.schneider@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Re: Poplar ... that's what I used for my Isabella plank. I've
> read
> > > > > it isn't very weather resistent though. My plank is also encased
> in
> > > > > 6oz glass. Extra protection to keep the ice shards from reaching
> the
> > > > > wood.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you think about using the same for the wing spars?
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
> > > > > <johhnysrocket2003@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl,
> > > > > > I'm planning to build a few identical small WD 40's for the
> boys
> > > and
> > > > > > further wing section testing . The nite plank size is about
> what I
> > > > > had
> > > > > > in mind. I ordered up some poplar hardwood for them. Poplar
> has
> > > > > great
> > > > > > Sitka spruce like charecteristics at a fraction of the cost
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "carl rozmarek" <nite339@>
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The following was taken from the official construction plans
> of
> > > > > S&R
> > > > > > > Marine in Pewaukee, WI.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Length from center line to plank end: 67"
> > > > > > > Plank width at center line : 8"
> > > > > > > Plank width at chock end : 6 3/4"
> > > > > > > Plank thickness at center line : 2 1/4"
> > > > > > > Plank thickness at chock end : 1 3/4"
> > > > > > > Crown : 2"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Carl
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
> > > > > > > <johhnysrocket2003@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Does anyone know what size a Nite runner plank is? Length
> > > width
> > > > > > height?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

hi john, the plank is 13'6" about 10"center tapered to match 7"chocks
thickness is 1-3/4 i bought the clear penefrating epoxe sealer from
cairds boatworks in helena but it can be obtained from internet
suppliers.mfg.is smith bros.i believe Rusty
--- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
<johhnysrocket2003@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hey Rusty, what size is the plank that you built.
> Where did you get the epoxy?
> John
>
>
> --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "rusty1hel" rustyyy@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > o- k guys i built a poplar runner plank for whiskey barrell and
sailed
> > the heck out of it on canyon ferry.This year our ice was rough and
alot
> > of shards were flying the plank looks just like it did when i built
it
> > .i used epoxy sealer a very thin epoxy called restore it apply to
> > refusal it really soaks in and plasticizes the wood and then just as
it
> > was about to set just a little tack left i sprayed automotive clear
cote
> > over it 2-coats and veola beautiful .
> > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
> > <johhnysrocket2003@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I've worked with poplar before with the cabinets . It mills up
nice.
> > > I would guess it would work well for wing spars . I heard sitka
spruce
> > > is not very rot resistant either. We get our leading edges on the
> > > planks pitted dirtboating too. I was wondering if some of that
clear
> > > sticky back chip gaurd material used on cars might be usefull if
you
> > > didn't fiberglass?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "foiledagain20" david.p.schneider@
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Re: Poplar ... that's what I used for my Isabella plank. I've
read
> > > > it isn't very weather resistent though. My plank is also encased
in
> > > > 6oz glass. Extra protection to keep the ice shards from reaching
the
> > > > wood.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think about using the same for the wing spars?
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
> > > > <johhnysrocket2003@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl,
> > > > > I'm planning to build a few identical small WD 40's for the
boys
> > and
> > > > > further wing section testing . The nite plank size is about
what I
> > > > had
> > > > > in mind. I ordered up some poplar hardwood for them. Poplar
has
> > > > great
> > > > > Sitka spruce like charecteristics at a fraction of the cost
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "carl rozmarek" <nite339@>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The following was taken from the official construction plans
of
> > > > S&R
> > > > > > Marine in Pewaukee, WI.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Length from center line to plank end: 67"
> > > > > > Plank width at center line : 8"
> > > > > > Plank width at chock end : 6 3/4"
> > > > > > Plank thickness at center line : 2 1/4"
> > > > > > Plank thickness at chock end : 1 3/4"
> > > > > > Crown : 2"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
> > > > > > <johhnysrocket2003@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does anyone know what size a Nite runner plank is? Length
> > width
> > > > > height?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hey Rusty, what size is the plank that you built.
Where did you get the epoxy?
John


  --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "rusty1hel" <rustyyy@...> wrote:
>
>
> o- k guys i built a poplar runner plank for whiskey barrell and sailed
> the heck out of it on canyon ferry.This year our ice was rough and alot
> of shards were flying the plank looks just like it did when i built it
> .i used epoxy sealer a very thin epoxy called restore it apply to
> refusal it really soaks in and plasticizes the wood  and then just as it
> was about to set just a little tack left i sprayed automotive clear cote
> over it 2-coats and veola beautiful .
> --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
> <johhnysrocket2003@> wrote:
> >
> > I've worked with poplar before with the cabinets . It mills up nice.
> > I would guess it would work well for wing spars . I heard sitka spruce
> > is not very rot resistant either. We get our leading edges on the
> > planks pitted dirtboating too. I was wondering if some of that clear
> > sticky back chip gaurd material used on cars might be usefull if you
> > didn't fiberglass?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "foiledagain20" david.p.schneider@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Re: Poplar ... that's what I used for my Isabella plank. I've read
> > > it isn't very weather resistent though. My plank is also encased in
> > > 6oz glass. Extra protection to keep the ice shards from reaching the
> > > wood.
> > >
> > > What do you think about using the same for the wing spars?
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
> > > <johhnysrocket2003@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Carl,
> > > > I'm planning to build a few identical small WD 40's for the boys
> and
> > > > further wing section testing . The nite plank size is about what I
> > > had
> > > > in mind. I ordered up some poplar hardwood for them. Poplar has
> > > great
> > > > Sitka spruce like charecteristics at a fraction of the cost
> > > > Thanks
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "carl rozmarek" <nite339@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The following was taken from the official construction plans of
> > > S&R
> > > > > Marine in Pewaukee, WI.
> > > > >
> > > > > Length from center line to plank end: 67"
> > > > > Plank width at center line : 8"
> > > > > Plank width at chock end : 6 3/4"
> > > > > Plank thickness at center line : 2 1/4"
> > > > > Plank thickness at chock end : 1 3/4"
> > > > > Crown : 2"
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
> > > > > <johhnysrocket2003@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone know what size a Nite runner plank is? Length
> width
> > > > height?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

o- k guys i built a poplar runner plank for whiskey barrell and sailed
the heck out of it on canyon ferry.This year our ice was rough and alot
of shards were flying the plank looks just like it did when i built it
.i used epoxy sealer a very thin epoxy called restore it apply to
refusal it really soaks in and plasticizes the wood  and then just as it
was about to set just a little tack left i sprayed automotive clear cote
over it 2-coats and veola beautiful .
--- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
<johhnysrocket2003@...> wrote:
>
> I've worked with poplar before with the cabinets . It mills up nice.
> I would guess it would work well for wing spars . I heard sitka spruce
> is not very rot resistant either. We get our leading edges on the
> planks pitted dirtboating too. I was wondering if some of that clear
> sticky back chip gaurd material used on cars might be usefull if you
> didn't fiberglass?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "foiledagain20" david.p.schneider@
> wrote:
> >
> > Re: Poplar ... that's what I used for my Isabella plank. I've read
> > it isn't very weather resistent though. My plank is also encased in
> > 6oz glass. Extra protection to keep the ice shards from reaching the
> > wood.
> >
> > What do you think about using the same for the wing spars?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
> > <johhnysrocket2003@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Carl,
> > > I'm planning to build a few identical small WD 40's for the boys
and
> > > further wing section testing . The nite plank size is about what I
> > had
> > > in mind. I ordered up some poplar hardwood for them. Poplar has
> > great
> > > Sitka spruce like charecteristics at a fraction of the cost
> > > Thanks
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "carl rozmarek" <nite339@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The following was taken from the official construction plans of
> > S&R
> > > > Marine in Pewaukee, WI.
> > > >
> > > > Length from center line to plank end: 67"
> > > > Plank width at center line : 8"
> > > > Plank width at chock end : 6 3/4"
> > > > Plank thickness at center line : 2 1/4"
> > > > Plank thickness at chock end : 1 3/4"
> > > > Crown : 2"
> > > >
> > > > Carl
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
> > > > <johhnysrocket2003@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone know what size a Nite runner plank is? Length
width
> > > height?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

-- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
<johhnysrocket2003@...> wrote:
>
> I've worked with poplar before with the cabinets . It mills up
nice.
> I would guess it would work well for wing spars . I heard sitka
spruce
> is not very rot resistant either. We get our leading edges on the
> planks pitted dirtboating too. I was wondering if some of that clear
> sticky back chip gaurd material used on cars might be usefull if you
> didn't fiberglass?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "foiledagain20" <david.p.schneider@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Re: Poplar   ... that's what I used for my Isabella plank.  I've
read
> > it isn't very weather resistent though.  My plank is also encased
in
> > 6oz glass.  Extra protection to keep the ice shards from reaching
the
> > wood.
> >
> > What do you think about using the same for the wing spars?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
> > <johhnysrocket2003@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >  Carl,
> > > I'm planning to build a few identical small WD 40's for the
boys and
> > > further wing section testing . The nite plank size is about
what I
> > had
> > > in mind. I ordered up some poplar hardwood for them. Poplar has
> > great
> > > Sitka spruce like charecteristics at a fraction of the cost
> > > Thanks
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "carl rozmarek" <nite339@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >   The following was taken from the official construction
plans of
> > S&R
> > > > Marine in Pewaukee, WI.
> > > >
> > > >   Length from center line to plank end: 67"
> > > >   Plank width at center line          : 8"
> > > >   Plank width at chock end            : 6 3/4"
> > > >   Plank thickness at center line      : 2 1/4"
> > > >   Plank thickness at chock end        : 1 3/4"
> > > >   Crown                               : 2"
> > > >
> > > >                            Carl
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
> > > > <johhnysrocket2003@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone know what size a Nite runner plank is? Length
width
> > > height?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

I've worked with poplar before with the cabinets . It mills up nice.
I would guess it would work well for wing spars . I heard sitka spruce
is not very rot resistant either. We get our leading edges on the
planks pitted dirtboating too. I was wondering if some of that clear
sticky back chip gaurd material used on cars might be usefull if you
didn't fiberglass?







--- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "foiledagain20" <david.p.schneider@...>
wrote:
>
> Re: Poplar   ... that's what I used for my Isabella plank.  I've read
> it isn't very weather resistent though.  My plank is also encased in
> 6oz glass.  Extra protection to keep the ice shards from reaching the
> wood.
>
> What do you think about using the same for the wing spars?
>
> Dave
>
> --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
> <johhnysrocket2003@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Carl,
> > I'm planning to build a few identical small WD 40's for the boys and
> > further wing section testing . The nite plank size is about what I
> had
> > in mind. I ordered up some poplar hardwood for them. Poplar has
> great
> > Sitka spruce like charecteristics at a fraction of the cost
> > Thanks
> > John
> >
> >
> > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "carl rozmarek" <nite339@> wrote:
> > >
> > >   The following was taken from the official construction plans of
> S&R
> > > Marine in Pewaukee, WI.
> > >
> > >   Length from center line to plank end: 67"
> > >   Plank width at center line          : 8"
> > >   Plank width at chock end            : 6 3/4"
> > >   Plank thickness at center line      : 2 1/4"
> > >   Plank thickness at chock end        : 1 3/4"
> > >   Crown                               : 2"
> > >
> > >                            Carl
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
> > > <johhnysrocket2003@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know what size a Nite runner plank is? Length width
> > height?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Poplar   ... that's what I used for my Isabella plank.  I've read
it isn't very weather resistent though.  My plank is also encased in
6oz glass.  Extra protection to keep the ice shards from reaching the
wood.

What do you think about using the same for the wing spars?

Dave

--- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
<johhnysrocket2003@...> wrote:
>
>
>  Carl,
> I'm planning to build a few identical small WD 40's for the boys and
> further wing section testing . The nite plank size is about what I
had
> in mind. I ordered up some poplar hardwood for them. Poplar has
great
> Sitka spruce like charecteristics at a fraction of the cost
> Thanks
> John
>
>
> --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "carl rozmarek" <nite339@> wrote:
> >
> >   The following was taken from the official construction plans of
S&R
> > Marine in Pewaukee, WI.
> >
> >   Length from center line to plank end: 67"
> >   Plank width at center line          : 8"
> >   Plank width at chock end            : 6 3/4"
> >   Plank thickness at center line      : 2 1/4"
> >   Plank thickness at chock end        : 1 3/4"
> >   Crown                               : 2"
> >
> >                            Carl
> >
> >
> > --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
> > <johhnysrocket2003@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone know what size a Nite runner plank is? Length width
> height?
> > >
> >
>

Carl,
I'm planning to build a few identical small WD 40's for the boys and
further wing section testing . The nite plank size is about what I had
in mind. I ordered up some poplar hardwood for them. Poplar has great
Sitka spruce like charecteristics at a fraction of the cost
Thanks
John


--- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "carl rozmarek" <nite339@...> wrote:
>
>   The following was taken from the official construction plans of S&R
> Marine in Pewaukee, WI.
>
>   Length from center line to plank end: 67"
>   Plank width at center line          : 8"
>   Plank width at chock end            : 6 3/4"
>   Plank thickness at center line      : 2 1/4"
>   Plank thickness at chock end        : 1 3/4"
>   Crown                               : 2"
>
>                            Carl
>
>
> --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
> <johhnysrocket2003@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know what size a Nite runner plank is? Length width
height?
> >
>

The following was taken from the official construction plans of S&R
Marine in Pewaukee, WI.

   Length from center line to plank end: 67"
   Plank width at center line          : 8"
   Plank width at chock end            : 6 3/4"
   Plank thickness at center line      : 2 1/4"
   Plank thickness at chock end        : 1 3/4"
   Crown                               : 2"

                            Carl


--- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
<johhnysrocket2003@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what size a Nite runner plank is? Length width height?
>

Does anyone know what size a Nite runner plank is? Length width height?

I've started a History file in the files section about how we got
where we are today landsailing. NALSA founder Don Rypinski submitted a
story for us .

  Thanks Don for writing it.










http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/2nalsa/files/Landsailing%20History/

WESTERN LANDYACHT CLUB / U.S.O.M.Y.A

  NALSA Sanctioned Landsailing Event

  Custom Trophies  /  Lots of Fun


April 26/27, 2008
          August 30/31, 2008
Ivanpah Dry Lake(West Side) - Primm NV                   Rachel Dry
Lake - Rachel, NV

Open Class #1
Includes:  5 Square Meter, Manta Twin, Sirocco Twin, Customs* & Modified*

Open Class #2
Includes:  Manta Single, Sirocco Single, Customs* & Modified*

Open Class #3
Includes:  Blokart, Ludic, Sirocco Sprint, Wind Chaser, Customs* &
Modified*

* Box rule design, Check www.nalsa.org for rules


Accommodations:
Camping on Ivanpah or Rachel dry lakes.  (Dry camping with no facilities)

Motel in Rachel, NV   -   The Little A'Le'Inn    @ (775) 729-2515  or
   www.aLeinn.com

Casino/Hotel in Primm, NV  -  Whiskey Pete's  -
www.primmvalleyresorts.com


Ivanpah Dry Lake(West Side) Entrance Road:
Located behind Whiskey Pete's off the rear edge of the parking lot.

Rachel Dry Lake Entrance Road:
Located 3.6 miles West of Rachel and the Little A'Le'Inn on HWY 375.

Event Information:
Contact:  Terry Fulbright    @ (702) 296-7513 (Cell)  or  (702)
492-0137 (Home Phone)
                 Howard  Haupt     @ (858) 272-5656  or
haupt@...

Correspondence through Howard Haupt
Hi John -
I just joined the Yahoo grp site and was wondering how to add things
to the calendar.  You read my mind.

Yes put in a plug for both of the Mini/Small regatta's come up.
Spring Small Boat Regatta Apr 26/27, West side of Ivanpah
Fall Small Boat Regatta Aug 30/31, Rachel Dry Lake

Thanks, I have attached a flyer again for your reference
  - Howard

Does anyone know what windsurfer program Bob Dill used with the gps
race data?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7416235999297705470

sorry for the duplicate posts these take a little longer to appear
than I thought they would.
Blake

Here is a link to  the results from this year's Cup
http://www.nalsa.org/AC2008ResultsWeb.html
Congratulations to all who participated!

Results from 2008 Americas Cup http://www.nalsa.org/AC2008ResultsWeb.html
Congratulations to all who participated!

--- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
<johhnysrocket2003@...> wrote:
>
> The next time you sail you may want to put your friends sail on your
> boat and theirs on yours then see what happens. That may shed some
light.
>    The other factors in poor light air to me would be tire pressure
> ,bearings or alignment. I have an old manta single . We put runners
on
> it for iceboating. They were way out of alighnment . The axle was
bent
> backwards. I would have never noticed if it weren't for the runners.
> John
>
Thanks John...I hadn't thought to check for a bent axle, I'll do
that. We were going to swap sails last time at the Alvord, but when
the wind came up (rarely)it was good and there was no way anyone was
going to waste time checking sails when they could be sailing!!!!!>
>
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>
>
>
> --- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "Perry Sims" <sims-inspect@> wrote:
>
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>
>
> >
> > I bought a used single for my wife. We sail with another couple,
one of
> > whom also sails a Manta Single. There is absolutely no comparison
> > between between the performance of the two boats.  Head to head
my
> > friend's boat will walk away from Cathy every time. There may be
a
> > difference in (forgive me) gross weight of 20 lbs.  No difference
in
> > rolling resistance.  We have parked the two boats together and
done the
> > most careful comparison of set ups. No difference.  That leaves
the
> > sails.  They appear identical, but I suspect there may be some
small
> > difference in the battons.
> >
> > I'm looking for suggestions of ways to check-out this suspicion.
Any
> > other suggestions?  Thanks in advance.
> >
>

The next time you sail you may want to put your friends sail on your
boat and theirs on yours then see what happens. That may shed some light.
    The other factors in poor light air to me would be tire pressure
,bearings or alignment. I have an old manta single . We put runners on
it for iceboating. They were way out of alighnment . The axle was bent
backwards. I would have never noticed if it weren't for the runners.
John









--- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "Perry Sims" <sims-inspect@...> wrote:






>
> I bought a used single for my wife. We sail with another couple, one of
> whom also sails a Manta Single. There is absolutely no comparison
> between between the performance of the two boats.  Head to head my
> friend's boat will walk away from Cathy every time. There may be a
> difference in (forgive me) gross weight of 20 lbs.  No difference in
> rolling resistance.  We have parked the two boats together and done the
> most careful comparison of set ups. No difference.  That leaves the
> sails.  They appear identical, but I suspect there may be some small
> difference in the battons.
>
> I'm looking for suggestions of ways to check-out this suspicion. Any
> other suggestions?  Thanks in advance.
>

--- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "Perry Sims" <sims-inspect@...> wrote:
>
> I bought a used single for my wife. We sail with another couple, one
of
> whom also sails a Manta Single. There is absolutely no comparison
> between between the performance of the two boats.  Head to head my
> friend's boat will walk away from Cathy every time. There may be a
> difference in (forgive me) gross weight of 20 lbs.  No difference in
> rolling resistance.  We have parked the two boats together and done
the
> most careful comparison of set ups. No difference.  That leaves the
> sails.  They appear identical, but I suspect there may be some small
> difference in the battons.
>
> I'm looking for suggestions of ways to check-out this suspicion. Any
> other suggestions?  Thanks in advance.
>
I should add my thanks to John for taking on this challange, and
relative to my question above:  These are light air problems. In a blow
the little boat goes pretty darn well.  Also, I have a stock (small)
front wheel installed, and wheel radii on the rear comparable to the
larger upgrade wheels.  Would the little "rake" make any difference?

I bought a used single for my wife. We sail with another couple, one of
whom also sails a Manta Single. There is absolutely no comparison
between between the performance of the two boats.  Head to head my
friend's boat will walk away from Cathy every time. There may be a
difference in (forgive me) gross weight of 20 lbs.  No difference in
rolling resistance.  We have parked the two boats together and done the
most careful comparison of set ups. No difference.  That leaves the
sails.  They appear identical, but I suspect there may be some small
difference in the battons.

I'm looking for suggestions of ways to check-out this suspicion. Any
other suggestions?  Thanks in advance.

I posted some old pics I had of the first America's cup in 1974. If
anyone has more early photo's please post.
An 80's  photo album would be cool too.

Mark, I think you will be ok on the address you joined with. I sent
the invite to both addresses because I wasn't sure . Thanks for the
pics. If there is anything else to re edit let me know
John

John, I am sending a DVD with 497 photos on it to you.  Would you also
modify the website information.  Use landsail@... for me instead
of landsail@....  Also Floyd White is not the NALSA South Vice
President as he is not landsailing for a few years.
Thanks, Mark
--- In 2nalsa@yahoogroups.com, "johhnysrocket2003"
<johhnysrocket2003@...> wrote:
>
> I would appreciate any pictures and the like for this years event. You
> can post them your self or send them to me on a disk. I took some
> helmet cam video of  racing and will post as I get time .
> Thanks
> John
>

I would appreciate any pictures and the like for this years event. You
can post them your self or send them to me on a disk. I took some
helmet cam video of  racing and will post as I get time .
Thanks
John

I would appreciate any pictures and the like for this years event. You
can post them your self or send them to me on a disk. I took some
helmet cam video of  racing and will post as I get time .
Thanks
John

I rolled up to Ivanpah dry lake about 10 am on the 19th just a few
minutes behind Keith Leigler of Wisconsin. He left about 48 hours
earlier to make the event. I was on my 17th and a half hour of total
driving time. Peter, Bill and Betty Dale were already there as we
pulled up. Soon we were helping each other unload boats. I drove
through a snow storm in Montana and the boat was filthy because of it.
Next year I'm going to shrink wrap it before the trip like Keith did
to his boat. I found the trailing edge on the flap had delaminated and
had split open. I proceded to clean the road grim off and reglued the
trailing edge. I finally stepped the wing that had been completed only
3 days prior. The wind came up and I set out to sail it for the first
time. Within a few minutes of sailing I saw I had a huge problem. The
wing was too flexible. It looked like a bendy DN mast . I spent the
rest of the day and a few hours the next day making mid side shrouds
out of some spare whisker stays I had for iceboating. I bummed some
parts and tools from Keith and Peter to do the repairs. I was pretty
tired after driving all morning then working on the boat all day in
hot windy conditions. I'm accustomed to 20 to 30 degree weather now
I'm getting dehydrated in hot dry wind. Day two I finished the side
stays and take the boat out in the morning. I had the lake to myself.
Something I've never done at Ivanpah. It was alot of fun . The extra
side shroud seemed to do the trick. My next problem was that the
steering kept locking up as the boats springboard decompressed . It
was quite unnerving with the well heads and all in the middle of the
lake bed. I took the front end apart and found I needed to re route my
steering cables . I scrounged around the lake and found some rebar to
shove up the hull and reroute the steering cables. I finally got some
quality time sailing the boat . I found this wingboat to be one of the
most well behaved wings I've ever made. It hiked smoothly and had
better traction and stability than other wingboats I've made. I could
take my feet off the steering pedals at speed and the boat sailed
straight. I was concerned that I made the axle to soft but looking at
pictures it seems about right. By time Sunday came around I felt
ready. Typically Sunday mornings I feel sick to my stomach because of
the prerace gitters. A year of  boat building and not knowing what to
expect from a new boat and trying to race at the same time gets to me.
   My first race was in class 3 . I was pleased to end up not far
behind Allans Yellow Boat at the end of the race. It seemed like all
the hard work may pay off. The next few races confirmed it did. I won
a few races by a minute or two. In varing wind conditions. By Tuesday
I was leading class 3 and class 4 .I found the lake bed to be smooth
but extra gritty this year and my only tires were showing chords.
Frank Marsh gave me a spare set that were identical to what I was
running. I had to make a new center bushing from some pipeing that
Phil Rothrock gave me. It fit the spindle but I had to cut it with a
hacksaw. The bushing was out of square which would haunt me later.
Wednesday was predicted to have some higher winds so I put the wing
down over night.
   On Wednesday afternoon I was stepping the wing and the mainwing
controls folded over as the wing was raised. Thank God they broke then
instead of rounding the weather mark. I had to sit out the races for
that day.That put me into 2nd place in both classes. I needed more
races to get a throw out.
   Carsten set me up with a welder he knew in Vegas. I drove into Vegas
to meet the welder at 6am Thursday. It was easy getting up early
because I've barely   been sleeping 4 hours a night all week because I
was too keyed up from racing and boat fixing. The welder was done by
6:15 and I headed back . The boat was ready to sail by 8:30 am.. I
sailed the boat a while until the wind died. Late that day the wind
came up and I was able to race class 3 one more time to get my throw
out. The Racing came down to if Allan won the next class 3 race he
would win the class If I won the race than I would win the class. Same
scenario for class 4 too.
    The winds were light and shifty .  I Pushed my self off the line
and ran next to the boat which seemed like eternity before it got
hooked up. I noticed a loud chirping noise coming from the bearings.
There is nothing worse than having a bearing issues as well as  Allan
issues on the same day. Allan seemed to get into a groove in the light
air race. I never found mine . I ended up with my worst finish in 3rd
place. Allan took class 3 by a few points.
   On Friday I still had one more chance to compete for class 4 and get
my throwout. I still had a loud chirping noise coming from the
bearings . I found the makeshift bushing I made were allowing the
bearings to loosen up in the spindle mount rims and rotate at a slight
angle when a side load was put on them. I also found the tire pressure
was a bit low for light air. One had 20 lbs. I re filled them up to 30
in anticipation of light air racing. We sat on the start line with
only 10 0r 20 minute left before the regatta would be called . They
sent the Manta singles out and they died before the windward mark.
After they were called back the wind came up to 20 plus with just
minutes to spare. I just sat in my boat after making arrangements for
a pusher. I looked up and the green flag had dropped. My wing wasn't
close to being trimmed and my seat belt was undone. My pusher was
talking to someone and I was screaming go go go! Inspite of all the
kaos I was able to round the weather mark in 2nd behind Allan. He was
further ahead and layed the mark at a better angle than me. I decided
to pinch it to keep Bill Dale from tacking on top of me.Once heading
downwind I felt in pace with Allan maybe slightly gaining down wind
and slightly losing up wind. We later found out we hit 79 mph. On the
second leg I tacked right after the finishline and Allan went staight.
I think I gained by sailing less distance . On the next downwind leg I
was about 300 yds behind him when he encountered lapped traffic and
the leeward mark at the same time. He came in hot and at a bad angle
and spun out. I saw what was happening and headed up and sheeted out
the wing at the same time to gain control. I was able to avoid the
lapped boat Allan and made a good rounding all at once. For the next 2
laps I kept waiting for the Yellow boat to  re pass but it never
happened . I won the race and class 4.
   I was very fortunate to have a bunch of generous helpful people
around me to help fix the bugs in the boat during the week. The race
committee did a great job getting races off when it didn't seem
possible. The food was great at the daily firsts . It was fun seeing
old friend too and getting to sail 9 out of 10 days . We are lucky we
can do this activity.

  John Eisenlohr